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« Reply #945 on: 13:10:18, 11-09-2008 » |
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I am sarcastic a lot of the time.
Oh really? |
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« Reply #946 on: 13:29:02, 11-09-2008 » |
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Here is a story about Athenry.
Athenry means The ford of the king (the place the king passes through on his way to Tuam (used to be capital and is still ecclesiastic capital of Province Connacht. Archbishop is there.
There are four archbishops in Ireland, the most important is archbishop of Armagh. He is just made cardinal. My friend was in school with him and recently came back from celebrations in his home town.
The cardinal's family was very prominent family in that town. They were like Patriarchs of the town. (That is for me because I don't understand some things).
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« Reply #948 on: 07:06:13, 12-09-2008 » |
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Mornin'all!! Hope people are ok today!!
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« Reply #949 on: 07:52:38, 12-09-2008 » |
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I am good this morning. It is reasonable bright, though the sky is grey. My rehearsal was boring. One bass turned up in the middle of our rehearsal. We did have tenors, but less sopranos than usual. We went through the whole program in the order of it. I have to say that opera in Irish language sounds good, really good. I am told that Cornish language is very close to Irish. My friend could understand their writing. He thinks that Irish language uses Latin letters in a wrong way and should use it in a way Cornish people do. How are you? http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=5LyX9wumdvs&feature=related |
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Ron Dough
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« Reply #950 on: 08:53:08, 12-09-2008 » |
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Your friend is wrong about the Cornish language and Irish, t-p. It's related to Breton and the two variations of Welsh, which are representatives of one of the two branches of Celtic found on these islands - the Brythonic. The other branch - the Goedelic - contains Manx, Irish and Scots Gaelic. Speakers within each branch have a fair idea what those in the related languages are saying, and even more idea of what they're writing, but the two branches split long ago, and there's very little shared between them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insular_Celtic |
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« Reply #951 on: 10:09:59, 12-09-2008 » |
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Thank you, Ron Dough,
I will tell him. He did sound as he had some doubts.
I find Irish way of spelling their words very difficult. Sound 'v' can be spelled by three letters. I is hard to say why they chose such a system of spelling. He was musing about it on the way to Athenry.
He is such an interesting man to know. The way he explained Finnigan Wake to me was fantastically interesting. I am waiting for an opportunity to start taking notes. There is so much meaning in words, in sounds and in associations, but one has to know a lot in order to guess.
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richard barrett
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« Reply #952 on: 10:16:30, 12-09-2008 » |
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The way he explained Finnigan Wake to me was fantastically interesting. But didn't you write Finnegans Wake yourself? |
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« Reply #953 on: 10:24:11, 12-09-2008 » |
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I could not possibly do it, being the way I am (short on brain power).
James Joyce is a kind of a writer I need a lot of help with.
First of all he is Irish and I know very little about their history or social life in Dublin or Galway.
Secondly, I never heard about him before I came here. He was not translated in my languge because he was not progressive enough.
I wish I could write Jane Austin's books. Or I wish I could write Vanity Fair instead of Thackeray. This is my dream to write Vanity Fair. I have a lot of material for this kind of book and I am still collecting material for it in my head.
However, with my spelling, my grammar and lack of brain power it is not possible. But it is nice to dream.
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« Reply #954 on: 12:10:29, 12-09-2008 » |
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Here is my first instalement of discussions about Finnigan Wake book.
Please forgive my mistakes in spelling of names and words.
The episode is Monument to Wellington. I understand that some character is showing the monument of Wellington in Fenix Park in Dublin. There are around it plaques with scenes of battles.
The man calls him Lipoleum. That is combination of Napoleon, balm (for lips) and linoleum. This is the big Lipoleum. He had a white horse called Kopenhagen. (I am told it is rude because the horse is Kockenhape. It refers to man wearing trousers in those time on their heaps. I am told it is bold).
Horse with West Meath accent with soft A sounds like a rse. There are a lot of words tip there. Because the man is looking for a tip.
Joyce had a very musical ear and he plays with sounds and associations.
I would never understood this scene.
Is it only interesting for me or other people find it interesting?
I have an episode where they play Musical in Ulises. A lot of songs are mentioned in that episode. Lurline by Wallace was more popular than Maritana.
All songs in that episode has to do with betray(al). There is a song about a soldier that trusts the prist who is an agent for the government, etc.
Composer Balse (?) was still popular at James Joyces time. He wrote 28 operas. All characters are real people in life, he just changed their names.
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Ron Dough
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« Reply #955 on: 12:23:52, 12-09-2008 » |
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Are you telling us that you're starting your Joyce studies with Finnegan's Wake. t-p? That's a very strange place to begin, even for native speakers of English. Most students would start with A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man, which you can download here, though your library will have it, too. |
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« Reply #956 on: 12:26:10, 12-09-2008 » |
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Is it only interesting for me or other people find it interesting?
I find Joyce very interesting, yes. But I shall be very surprised if you have anything comprehensible to say about his work. |
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« Reply #957 on: 12:28:41, 12-09-2008 » |
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Are you telling us that you're starting your Joyce studies with Finnegan's Wake. t-p? That's a very strange place to begin
And this is a very strange place to be beginning it. How about the Literature boards? |
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« Reply #958 on: 12:31:57, 12-09-2008 » |
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I think I will quit with the subject.
Sorry.
I don't know why we started from this particular episode.
A short while ago on the phone we decided that every time I visit them we will read a few lines from the book Finnigan Wake.
I just asked him to repeat to me what he said on the way to Athenry.
They all tell me here that Joyce is like Chekov and his short stories are like Russian short stories. For some reason I tried to read James Joyce books several times and did not go very far at all. I usually would stop at page 3 or 4 and there was no way I could forse myself to go on.
A Portrait of and artist as a young man was one of these books.
My friend was waiting and waiting for me to read the stories (Dubliners and Ulises) and gave up.
But now he has me interested.
I think I am going to start with Finnigan Wake.
Many of my friends don't understand why James Joyce's short stories are popular. They think that Russian stories are much better. This is because they don't understand how it was in Dublin at that time.
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