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« Reply #945 on: 09:34:42, 02-03-2008 » |
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Such are the ways of men sparrows and Members.
Tweet Tweet.  Actually, I forgot all about going through all the symphonies..... Tommo |
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« Reply #946 on: 09:35:31, 02-03-2008 » |
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Mr. Sudden 1062 for reply 1260 (correct answers to puzzles 202 203 and 204 after 6 minutes !!!!)
Oh dear. Somewhat sad we know but we do feel a certain flush of pride at bagging a four-figure tally in a single post...  |
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« Reply #947 on: 09:35:46, 02-03-2008 » |
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We regret to inform Mr Sudden that neither Puzzle 208 nor Puzzle 210 are Charles Koechlin's Après-midi d'Octobre.
It was worth a try  Alas we have no really helpful ideas as to the identity of either work and thematic connections with the Shostakovich Symphony no. 2 "October" do not yield readily to the assistance of Mr Google. Perhaps a quite random punt at the Walton 2nd symphony for 208 might be excused us.
Your first thoughts are more liekly to lead you to the solution than the '2nd symphonies' theory... |
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« Reply #948 on: 09:38:19, 02-03-2008 » |
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A clue for 198...
This piece - written in 1943 by an American who died in 1996 - has a title that is even more alliterative than that given to a similar (but more well known) piece by Copland.
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Here's a wild shot at Mr Iron's 198 - Louise Talma's Carmina Mariana, written in 1943. Being only a temporary stutter in your resurgence IGI, this is INCORRECT I'm afraid. (There is not much alliteration in that title is there?) No, there's not, and the link would be to Orff rather than Copland, I realised...but it was written in 1943 and she did die in 1996! |
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« Reply #949 on: 09:42:36, 02-03-2008 » |
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We regret to inform Mr Sudden that neither Puzzle 208 nor Puzzle 210 are Charles Koechlin's Après-midi d'Octobre.
It was worth a try Alas we have no really helpful ideas as to the identity of either work and thematic connections with the Shostakovich Symphony no. 2 "October" do not yield readily to the assistance of Mr Google. Perhaps a quite random punt at the Walton 2nd symphony for 208 might be excused us.
Your first thoughts are more likely to lead you to the solution than the '2nd symphonies' theory... Alas months are even less googlable... |
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« Reply #950 on: 10:04:26, 02-03-2008 » |
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Ach, that can only be Luigi Nono's Prometeo then... Quite so. I did say it was a major clue, so no great kudos in getting that one, os, but I see you need the points. It is with a certain regret that we are constrained to inform Members that puzzle 183 has been marked "void" and that all points derived from it will be annulled. This is because being an opera it is in clear contravention of definition 1: "the 'classical repertoire' here means music written between 1500 and 2000, and normally performed in concert halls or churches; 'jazz' and 'pops' are specifically excluded." Perhaps the Members who set and so cleverly solved it will take comfort in the fact that it is not the first time this has happened and will not dare we say be the last. |
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« Reply #951 on: 10:23:34, 02-03-2008 » |
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Hm.
Prometeo is indeed normally performed in concert halls and churches - it was premiered in Venice in the Chiesa di San Lorenzo, the recording in our possession was made at the Kollegienkirche in Salzburg and the forthcoming London performances will be in the Royal Festival Hall. For that matter it is not described as an opera by its composer (the description is 'tragedia dell'ascolto' or 'tragedy for listening', thereby distancing the work from the concept of visual action), it contains no narrative or characterisation and is not even performed by 'opera singers' but by choir soloists.
We suggest that describing the work as an 'opera' would constitute a regrettable oversimplification. In any case the work being normally performed in concert halls or churches clearly fits definition 1 - which latter in any case makes no explicit mention of opera.
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« Reply #952 on: 10:41:04, 02-03-2008 » |
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We thank Mr. Sudden for his kind clarification, and on his advice we have decided no longer to class the puzzle as void. In our ignorance we had a) googled "'luigi nono' prometheo" and found on the first page several references to its being an "opera"; and b) looked it up in Grove, where we found it listed under the heading "Stage," and described as requiring a "gigantic wooden structure." But we did not consider the meaning of "dell'ascolto" nor the statement there that "every scenic and visual element was eliminated"!
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« Reply #953 on: 11:34:22, 02-03-2008 » |
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Recent Puzzles:Puzzle 211: set by Mr. Thompson here - as yet unsolved Puzzle 212: set by Mr. Thompson here - as yet unsolved Puzzle 213: set by Mr. Thompson here - as yet unsolved Time to offer some thoughts on Mr 1780's trio, hoping to draw some clues from him: 212 for violin(or viola?) and piano. Is it English? 213 - something Debussian about this 214 - I thought it was Fauré, but Rachmaninov now seems more likely |
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« Reply #954 on: 11:45:18, 02-03-2008 » |
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Further clues to Both composers were English! No 208 sounds like Alan Bush to me - let's try Symphony no. 1 in C (for starters). Don't forget the musical connection between Nos.208-210, No.209 already being correctly identified by Mr Sudden as Shostakovich's 2nd Symphony 'October'. |
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« Reply #955 on: 11:49:07, 02-03-2008 » |
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This is all happening so fast, it's not possible to keep up! 5 new pages of thread on each visit. Perhaps Sydney's lists of answers etc could have a separate thread? I've just spent 15 minutes trying to discover the identity of 179 but without luck . . .
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« Reply #956 on: 11:51:44, 02-03-2008 » |
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Ah, 179 was one of mine, wasn't it? It was Africa by Camille Saint-Saëns.
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« Reply #957 on: 12:22:11, 02-03-2008 » |
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Perhaps Sydney's lists of answers etc could have a separate thread? A third thread! - a good idea - if the moderators are agreeable. Also we have been trying to think of a way to make the lists and totals self-documenting, but there is not such a thing as a single message which can be edited by every one is there? |
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« Reply #958 on: 13:06:47, 02-03-2008 » |
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Further clues to Both composers were English! Don't forget the musical connection between Nos.208-210, No.209 already being correctly identified by Mr Sudden as Shostakovich's 2nd Symphony 'October'. What happened to Berio then?  You didn't tell me I was totally wrong I suspect Mme Antheil would do well should she choose to turn her attention to Puzzle 208. |
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« Reply #959 on: 14:57:46, 02-03-2008 » |
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Hurrah!
Would we perhaps be correct in concluding that Member Inquisitor appears to be something of a fan of what is nowadays quite likely our pre-eminent local period instrument ensemble?
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