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« Reply #180 on: 10:27:43, 09-03-2007 »

Fired off e-mail.  The Boards are now open again  - by 10'16" Very odd.
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« Reply #181 on: 11:05:01, 09-03-2007 »

I would imagine they are expecting a troll-fest round about the time FEEDBACK is broadcast....
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« Reply #182 on: 14:37:31, 09-03-2007 »

Help! Did I miss it? Was it on today in the end?
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« Reply #183 on: 14:45:20, 09-03-2007 »

That photo needs to join a gallery of all-time classic images, also including:

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« Reply #184 on: 18:00:35, 09-03-2007 »

Strange, the photo of RW above, when I first looked at it I could have sworn it said "World Domination" on his t-shirt.
Maybe it's time for another eye test (or maybe I should just put my glasses on!)  Grin
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« Reply #185 on: 18:53:18, 09-03-2007 »

What on earth is our Rodge holding ?
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« Reply #186 on: 19:04:39, 09-03-2007 »

Is he holding a range of ......  Roll Eyes which might explain the ladies' smiles  Tongue
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« Reply #187 on: 19:56:41, 09-03-2007 »

Help! Did I miss it? Was it on today in the end?
It was indeed.  RW simply gainsayed every question put to him, even flatly saying he "didn't acknowledge" points made by listeners. (That may not have been what he meant, but it was unfortunately what he said).

The discussion about "live concerts" flared-up, and RW was insistent that there was "no difference" between "live", and "recorded live".  RW was confronted with a soundbite from baroque violinist and ensemble-director Roy Goodman, who insistently but politely said that it wasn't the same thing at all.  RW's response (on Goodman's suggestions that things like a string breaking on Vengerov's violin would materially affect how the rest of the performance went) was that "it's not as though we are going to clean these recordings up in the studio afterwards".

I wonder if that's really true?  In 2005 I attended a performance of AIDA on the stage of the Kremlin Palace of Congresses, in an Awards-Nominations series.  The entire cast had arrived that morning from Novosibirsk, Siberia, off an overnight flight.  The show was scheduled to go up at 19:00 - but the start was delayed by a hoax bomb alert.  In fact it began at 22:30, and finished at 02:00am.  The audience had been frisked by the Riot Police ("Stand against that wall with your arms raised") before they could get into the hall.  The performers were utterly knackered before the show even began.  Is Roger Wright telling us that he'd broadcast 3.5 hours of silence to illustrate what had happened and why the performance was so emotionally charged thereafter?   (The production was extremely controversial, set in Chechnya with tanks on stage, and an already-angry audience booed it with full force, somtimes during the music.  Half the audience left at the interval.). The incident with the bomb hoax needs to be remembered in connection with the Theatre Siege in Moscow, which had left many dead in its wake - responsibility was claimed by a Chechen Terror Cell.  And now we were going to watch... AIDA set in Chechnya...

It always seems to happen to AIDA...  by complete chance I was at the Romanian National Opera production of the opera at the RAH that was brought to a halt by a Gay Rights protest (at the time of the show, all homosexual relationships were deemed illegal by the Romanian Govt).   The theme of AIDA is about a conflict between what your Government says, and where your heart leads you - and intentionally or otherwise, it was a very poignant moment.   Do we have a cast-iron guarantee from RW that every second of the concert is broadcast - include protests which bring it to a halt?

I know a very successful performer who suffers (secretly) from stage fright, to a near-debilitating stage... but has learned strategies for coping with it.  A delayed start to a show would leave them crawling up the walls.  "Topped-and-tailed" transmissions will not capture the emotions involved in such moments.
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« Reply #188 on: 20:56:38, 09-03-2007 »

Thank you, Reiner. I'll see if it's on Listen Again.

I don't know if policy has changed, but I know that in the very recent past performances have been "cleaned up" before transmission. I've mentioned this before, but I was at a performance at the RNCM in Manchester a few months ago where the horn player messed up the very opening notes of the Britten Serenade for Tenor, Horn and Strings. I listened to the recording on R3 a few days or so later - behold, no messed-up notes! Nice for the horn player, but not a true representation of the concert. I've heard other examples, too.
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« Reply #189 on: 21:20:27, 09-03-2007 »

Ah, the message boards are being discussed next week. I've just listened on LA. Really, what is the point? All that happens is that RW says, "I'm right". Good for Roy Goodman (I've been conducted by him, very good, and of course famous as a boy treble in his time). The comments of listeners were carefully chosen, weren't they?

The use of the word "controller" is worrying!
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« Reply #190 on: 21:38:01, 09-03-2007 »

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It was what first attracted RW to the job  Wink
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« Reply #191 on: 21:58:52, 09-03-2007 »

The words "total" and "bloody" and "whitewash" spring to mind.  He totally ignored every point that was made.  Perhaps I should post this on the "official" so called messagebaord?

Reminds me of the Monty Python sketch about arguments not just being a gainsay of the other persons opinion.

Pah!
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« Reply #192 on: 12:22:08, 10-03-2007 »

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If you enjoy getting "Your Radio Three Message Has Been Removed" emails, then yes Sad
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« Reply #193 on: 12:42:51, 10-03-2007 »

I remember a Sydney Symphony concert once where the trumpeter in the Beethoven 9 scherzo (who had been brought in at very short notice to replace an ailing colleague) unfortunately played quite a loud dum-dadum in a bar which Beethoven had intended to be silent. From my vantage point in the tenor section it was rather hard to keep a straight face. Of course when the concert was broadcast that wasn't there any more... Wink

But in any case, no, sorry, if it's not live it's not live. There's simply not the same feeling of sharing a concert with the audience if that's not what you're doing.
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« Reply #194 on: 15:16:03, 11-03-2007 »

But in any case, no, sorry, if it's not live it's not live. There's simply not the same feeling of sharing a concert with the audience if that's not what you're doing.

That seems spot on to me, Ollie. I've spent quite a bit of time around players of the BBC SSO before they were about to perform, and, while they always knew that every note they played almost anywhere would be broadcast by the BBC at some time, there was always an extra frisson of anticipation (and possibly nerves) among them when they knew that a concert was to be relayed LIVE - and this, in turn, often added palpably to the excitement of their performance.

There was a level of concentration there that I think could only be generated by their awareness of the size and immediacy of their audience. I'm sure they'll also be made aware from now on whether their performances will be broadcast "as live" (or whatever the euphemism for "recorded" is) but I fear that the lack of that element of risk might sometimes dull the edge a little.

I don't think this issue has really been addressed by R3 and I wonder how the BBC's players feel about it all?
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