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Tony Watson
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« Reply #90 on: 09:42:24, 17-07-2007 »

it's ridiculous to deny that white men have pretty much had their way with Western music.

I find the entry on Ethel Smyth in the Oxford Companion to Music interesting when it says that some people think her career was held back because she was a woman, and yet others think that people only took an interest in her and her music because she was a woman.
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« Reply #91 on: 10:07:05, 17-07-2007 »

perspectives emerging from non white male quarters

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« Reply #92 on: 11:12:25, 17-07-2007 »

Increpatio, I should have thought something more like this ridiculous publication (of which, strangely enough, I have read a couple of issues from cover to cover, but that was in Southern California, where strange things happen, to me anyway):


... and, to save you all going to the trouble of asking Prof Wikipedia what it's all about, this is what he/she says:

This England is a quarterly magazine, published in spring, summer, autumn and winter, "for all those who love England's green and pleasant land".
I've seen this thing, too - and I have to say that its sheer level and consistency of absurdity were such that I read three whole issues before it dawned upon me that this was not, after all, a delicious spoof along the lines of Private Eye but was written for real (by which I do not, of course, mean that its content has the remotest connection with actual reality, but that it is intended to be taken seriously and at face value).

It has a large readership among expatriates,
In the colonies, presumably; well, one could hardly imagine it being on sale at the local W H Smith (unless surreptitiously half-concealed among the light porno on the top shelf); who else but ex-pats would read it?

many of whom are elderly,
...and mentally challenged, one might surmise; hardly surprising, this.

and concentrates on the values and customs of England -- especially rural and small-town England -- in the 1930s, 1940s, and 1950s. The magazine started in 1967 with the slogan "As Refreshing as a Cup of Tea!";
Yes, those delightful years in which economic hardship, slump, high unemployment, world war and post-war privation at the hands of the rationing scam followed one another in sickening succession; and that particular "cup of tea" came, of course, from India, not from China or anywhere else...

it is still edited by its founder, Lincolnshire-born Roy Faiers, and is based in Cheltenham. This England boasts a circulation of 150,000 [1].
I suppose that the very fact that it's somehow managed to survive for four decades - and especially under the same editorship - is something for which some kind of grudging admiration might be appropriate. Yes, it would be based in Cheltenham, now wouldn't it?!

The magazine maintains a strongly anti-European stance and is seen by some as arch-conservative and reactionary.
It does indeed and it has all three of those qualities in spades - i.e. it is arch, conservative (with both large and small "c") and reactionary. In fact, if one wanted a watered-down and somewhat less ingrained and entrenched version, one need look no farther than the considerably higher circulation magazine Country Life, whose principal music critic, incidentally, happens to be the excellent Anthony Payne.  I don't suppose that This England feels the need to engage a music critic at all and, even if it did, the post would hardly be offered to one of those nasty modern composer types, now would it?! - so here is the only connectionbetween it and the thread topic (i.e. no connection at all).

It features articles against metrication,
...which is interesting, since Britain minted a florin in 1820 on which was emblazoned the words "one tenth of a pound" and, had it only gone that small step farther at that time, Britian would have led the field with its "decimal currency" some 150 years before it finally caved in to common sense and adopted it.

the European Union, multiculturalism and other issues which the readership may consider threats to English identity.
...all of which is most odd, given that Britain once owned part of northern France, that these head-in-the-sand little Englanders talk so often of "Anglo-Saxondom" as though Saxony were part of the Cotswolds and that, like France, Spain and Portugal, Britain has a long history of colonisation and so ought to expect to have ample multicultural fallout as a direct consequence; of course, the entire business of an "English identity" is utterly fatuous in any case.

In the 1990s, it lent its support to New Britain, a very small right-wing political group, which it praised as "the organisation which is campaigning for a complete revival of our country". The Autumn 1994 edition featured an advert for "Merrie England 2000", a publication by Colin Jordan.
I don't recall race riots in the vicinity of Cheltenham Ladies' College as a consequence, however...

In his 1998 book, The English: A Portrait of a People, Jeremy Paxman remarked that the magazine's greatest enemy was "the march of time", remarking that not one article in the magazine looks forward, although this is not always true.
I expect that this rag's readership would regard any such "march" as necessarily inferior to those of the "Pomp and Circumstance" kind (not that I imply any insult to Elgar in so saying, of course, especially since at least one of his six such pieces could almost be read as surreptitiously and subliminally subversive).

As well as selling recordings of music from the 1940s, it also offers traditional navy blue British passport covers for those who dislike the current European version, plus little British flags to "replace" the European flag which exists on the driving licence and the disabled "blue badge".
Quite what can be seen as so special about the 1940s as a time to celebrate I do not know; vast numbers of Britons lost their lives in the war during that time (as also did vast numbers of non-Britons, of course) and I would have thought that people would want to try to draw a veil over it all, learn some lessons from history and leave it at that, whereas one may presume that this rag's 1940s obsession must be rooted in nothing more substantial or credible than empty antediluvian jingoism.

The readers' letters in its "Post Box" section often reminisce about bygone days and are critical of various changes in England in the past fifty years, which they consider to be unwelcome, while the "Don't Let Europe Rule Britannia" section is devoted to its campaign against the EU.
Can one presume from this that the rag will eventually die a natural and unmourned death when the last reader that can actually remember living in mid-20th century England shuffles off his/her mortal English coil?

One recurring complaint in the letters section concerns the supposed preferential treatment given by British immigration authorities to British citizens of African and Asian origin, and to EU nationals like the French and the Germans, over their "kith and kin" (i.e. Canadians, Australians and New Zealanders), when arriving in the "Mother Country" from what it still calls the "British Commonwealth".
Now whilst so much of this rubbish is at least risible, that kind of thing is genuinely offensive - but it's also inexplicable; why would British Canadians, Australians and New Zealanders be regarded as meriting special treatement over the others? given that none of the countries involved actually asked for British involvement in the first place and a colony is a colony (while it remains one) wherever it happens to be situated. This is clearly a racially motivated stance, although even that doesn't fully offer any reason why those three countries' British citizens are rated differently from those of the others; after all, the typical colonising Briton's attitudes to and relationships with the indigenous populaces of all of those countries was pretty much of a (not very) muchness, it seems to me...

I know that one shouldn't take this kind of stuff seriously, but there are things (such as the racially inclined content) that cannot be wholly overlooked; I wonder what the typical attitude of the rag's readership is supposed to be towards its immediate neighbours, such as Welsh like you, Richard, or Scots like me? I cannot imagine that the thing sells all that well in Abertawe...

Anyway, that's more than enough for now about "this sceptre'd promontory" and this faded piece of theatrical jewellery, set in a murky grey pescatorially-challenged sea...

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Alistair
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« Reply #93 on: 11:26:14, 17-07-2007 »

it's ridiculous to deny that white men have pretty much had their way with Western music.

I find the entry on Ethel Smyth in the Oxford Companion to Music interesting when it says that some people think her career was held back because she was a woman, and yet others think that people only took an interest in her and her music because she was a woman.
Maconchy is reported to have said something along the lines of believing herself to be a woman to her family and friends and a composer to her listeners (although whether this sentiment intentionally embraced the subtext of "never the twain shall meet" may be open to speculation...)

One would hope and like to think that people's interest in either would be based upon the quality and nature of the music alone.

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Alistair
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« Reply #94 on: 11:33:00, 17-07-2007 »

it is still edited by its founder, Lincolnshire-born Roy Faiers, and is based in Cheltenham. This England boasts a circulation of 150,000 [1].
I suppose that the very fact that it's somehow managed to survive for four decades - and especially under the same editorship - is something for which some kind of grudging admiration might be appropriate. Yes, it would be based in Cheltenham, now wouldn't it?!
Oh yes, so let's get back on-topic and talk about Tempo, shall we?
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« Reply #95 on: 11:44:54, 17-07-2007 »

it is still edited by its founder, Lincolnshire-born Roy Faiers, and is based in Cheltenham. This England boasts a circulation of 150,000 [1].
I suppose that the very fact that it's somehow managed to survive for four decades - and especially under the same editorship - is something for which some kind of grudging admiration might be appropriate. Yes, it would be based in Cheltenham, now wouldn't it?!
Oh yes, so let's get back on-topic and talk about Tempo, shall we?
Good idea! - and that estimable magazine has also enjoyed a substantial period of consistency of editorship under the splendid Malcolm MacDonald (or is he Calum of that ilk in that one of his guises? - I can never remember), though not quite of a longevity to compete with the rag mentioned above by Richard...

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Alistair
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« Reply #96 on: 02:01:05, 21-07-2007 »

As Contact has come up in this thread, thought I might post something I noticed when glancing at an issue earlier, which relates to the debates concerning the difference between British and other modes of musical/intellectual discourse.

'Like every good European composer, Louis Andriessen has seemingly read his Adorno. When he dies the word 'dialectics' may, conceivably, be found engraved on his heart.

The desire - the need, indeed - to look at everything from both the positive and negative points of view is something that the more empirical Englishman finds hard to understand. Too often this Hegelian double-think ends up either as the negation of everything positive ('too positive in its negativism') or looking suspiciously like having your cake and eating it. When this approach is applied to the complicated range of techniques and aesthetics that emerged in continental Europe after 1945 as the New Music, it becomes even more inscrutable.'

Keith Potter - 'The Music of Louis Andriessen: Dialectical Double-Dutch?', in Contact No. 23 (1981), p.16.

Interesting that most more recent commentary I've read on Andriessen (with the exception of the outstanding recent stuff by Robert Adlington) rarely considers the music from such an angle.
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« Reply #97 on: 10:30:07, 21-07-2007 »

Possibly something to do with more recent developments in Andriessen's music. Certainly the things I've played and heard of his in the last few years may well have 'dialectics' engraved on their heart but if so it's pretty nicely obscured by plenteous layers of musical fat.

But who is this 'more empirical Englishman'? The usual straw man, it seems to me. Presumably it's not Ferneyhough for example, who has clearly read his Adorno. Which reminds me that all Potter could find to write on the subject of Time and Motion I in Contact was that it was too hard to play and should perhaps be realised electronically. He seems to have missed the dialectic there... Wink



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« Reply #98 on: 10:33:51, 21-07-2007 »

Which reminds me that all Potter could find to write on the subject of Time and Motion I in Contact was that it was too hard to play and should perhaps be realised electronically. He seems to have missed the dialectic there... Wink
I can't remember exactly it was who said that, and I'm not at home so can't dig out my copy, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't Keith Potter. Maybe someone could check that.
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« Reply #99 on: 10:35:50, 21-07-2007 »

That's certainly the name I have stuck on my memory. I apologise unreservedly if it wasn't him.
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« Reply #100 on: 11:19:39, 21-07-2007 »

'Like every good European composer, Louis Andriessen has seemingly read his Adorno. When he dies the word 'dialectics' may, conceivably, be found engraved on his heart.

The desire - the need, indeed - to look at everything from both the positive and negative points of view is something that the more empirical Englishman finds hard to understand. Too often this Hegelian double-think ends up either as the negation of everything positive ('too positive in its negativism') or looking suspiciously like having your cake and eating it. When this approach is applied to the complicated range of techniques and aesthetics that emerged in continental Europe after 1945 as the New Music, it becomes even more inscrutable.'

Keith Potter - 'The Music of Louis Andriessen: Dialectical Double-Dutch?', in Contact No. 23 (1981), p.16.

Interesting that most more recent commentary I've read on Andriessen (with the exception of the outstanding recent stuff by Robert Adlington) rarely considers the music from such an angle.

I've always found Louis Andriessen's musical philosophy too artificial. It doesn't really add something to his music. He's also inadequate to judge the music of other composers. Matthijs Vermeulen had the same problem: perhaps we're dealing with a Dutch characteristic here?

Andriessen is too much focused on the social context and position of the artist, his music and musical life in general. Many of his statements are contradictory.
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« Reply #101 on: 11:20:44, 21-07-2007 »

But who is this 'more empirical Englishman'? The usual straw man, it seems to me. Presumably it's not Ferneyhough for example, who has clearly read his Adorno.
And hasn't lived in the UK for 40 years, and furthermore has equally if not more harsh things than either Potter or myself on English culture and life (and the English class system). And who told me once that learning German was part of thoroughly reinventing his whole self away from the Englishness of his past, or words to that effect.
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« Reply #102 on: 11:31:05, 21-07-2007 »

Which reminds me that all Potter could find to write on the subject of Time and Motion I in Contact was that it was too hard to play and should perhaps be realised electronically. He seems to have missed the dialectic there... Wink

The article you are referring to is 'Time and Motion Study 1', by Kevin Corner, in Contact No. 20 (Autumn 1979), pp. 11-12. After two pages of just basically describing the various extended techniques, rhythms, notational practices used he says:

'Having discussed Time and Motion Study I with some dozen composers and half a dozen performers, I have gained the general impression that both composers and practitioners feel that Ferneyhough has over-notated the work. While the actual look of the score leads one to expect total clarity, far too much of the score is confusing or simply redundant. The impression has also been that the score is really far too demanding and should perhaps be realised electronically.' (p. 12)

There is an article by Keith Potter on Ferneyhough in the same issue, on the 'Sonatas for String Quartet', which is considerably longer and very intelligent and interesting, as well as an introduction to Ferneyhough by Potter. Anyone interested in that other Ferneyhough piece should also look up Finnissy's article 'Ferneyhough's Sonatas, in Tempo 121 (June), pp. 34-36. In the introduction to Ferneyhough, Potter writes:

'Ferneyhough's mind works in a very complex way and in a very European way, it would seem. And despite Glock, despite Boulez and despite (because of?) Keller, we in Britain find the complex European musical mind baffling, inscrutable, incomprehensible sometimes. We don't go in droves to listen to complicated, highly intellectual music. In fact most of us don't go at all, ever: so we don't give it the chance. We've already decided that it's not for us: after all, Schoenberg is quite bad enough. We react to the charge that we're insular and small-minded (in at least two senses) by saying that these Europeans who say they do understand this stuff are at best deluding themselves, at worst out-and-out charlatans. And jolly narcissistic to boot: there aren't that many of them, after all. And when he hear the stories - which we always do manage to hear somehow, even though we never hear the music - of the players (poor toilers in someone else's fields of sorrow) who failed to pick up the right sort of clarinet or played their part upside down (either accidentally or on purpose; we'll never know) and no-one (not even the composer) noticed, then . . . well, I mean: what are we supposed to think of the music?

This attitude is all wrong, of course, or at least mostly wrong. Now if we were actually willing to take a composer's work seriously, and to expect to work at it, just as he has had to, in order to start to appreciate its rewards, then we wouldn't be so narrow and blinkered, so shamblingly arrogant in the face of such an important cultural advancement, crucial to any understanding of the art of our time. It's only because our cultural mandarins don't understand these matters - or, worse, refuse to understand them - that British public musical taste isn't educated towards an understanding of the complex art of a composer like Ferneyhough; it's only because our music education system and our cultural apparatus in general (and specifically the running of our major orchestras) doesn't encourage, even actively discourages, young musicians with the inclinations and abilities to take this music seriously and play it as well as anyone is capable of playing it that those stories take on the importance which they have - even if they're true.
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« Reply #103 on: 11:39:27, 21-07-2007 »

That's a relief. Unreserved apologies to Keith Potter for the garbled state of my memory.
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« Reply #104 on: 11:45:51, 21-07-2007 »

And hasn't lived in the UK for 40 years, and furthermore has equally if not more harsh things than either Potter or myself on English culture and life (and the English class system). And who told me once that learning German was part of thoroughly reinventing his whole self away from the Englishness of his past, or words to that effect.
Fortunately he also says other things as well - indeed they're in the overwhelming majority, the entire volume of Collected Writing containing nothing more on that theme than the odd glancing reference.

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we in Britain find the complex European musical mind baffling, inscrutable, incomprehensible sometimes. We don't go in droves to listen to complicated, highly intellectual music. In fact most of us don't go at all, ever: so we don't give it the chance.
News flash: neither do most of the Europeans.

And oh look, we seem to be back to the usual subject again. Anyone with something to say about periodicals?
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